Monday, March 25, 2013

Splitting the Hairs of Victory...

I have a sports related question that has been bugging me for a bit and I sort of need an answer but the answer may be a matter of opinion.  I don't speak sports really well so I'm going to attempt to explain the situation to you and then I'm going to throw in a poll and see what the majority opinion is mmmkay?

Okay here are the facts that are in no way being disputed, you need to know them to answer the question:

A couple of weeks ago Skyler's soccer team was in a travel tournament.  There were five teams in their bracket.  The winner of the bracket was determined by points.  Each team was given 3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, and 0 points for a loss.

Our Team (can I get a woot woot?):
1st game - 3 points
2nd game - 3 points
3rd game - 3 points

Other Team:
1st game - 1 point
2nd game - 1 point
3rd game - 3 points

So - going into the 4th and final game we had 9 points and they had 5.  Even if we lost the game, we won 1st place in the tournament.  Follow me so far?

We lost the game.  We earned 9 points.  They earned 8.  No arguments there.  Our girls got their first place medals, their girls got their second place medals.

Later one of the parents from the other team said "Well that's nice for your girls, but at least we're undefeated."

Aside from it being an assholeish thing to say which is soccer parenting 101, it's been rattling around in my brain and I can't quite see the logic, wouldn't by definition of not having won all their games and not having won the tournament indicate that they had been defeated?  According to the dictionary, to defeat is to overcome in battle, it doesn't say anything like "yeah well we didn't technically win in points but we didn't technically lose a game so we're undefeated"  Or in sports, must you actually lose a game or games, not tie, in order to be defeated? 

Was The Other Team UNdefeated?


  1. This reminds me of my son's baseball league, where another parent told us, "Well, we were supposed to beat your team, so I guess we'll settle it in playoffs.", what is this? Professional wrestling? There aren't scripted winners and losers. However, now we want to kick your team's ass in post.

  2. You're always going to have that...parents can be horrible sometimes. I had to get on someone at my son's hockey game (years ago) because a parent was heckling his team because we were from Kentucky. This was a kid's team..ages 7 - 10. Amazing.


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